The poor old Tokina AT-X 35-200mm f/3.5-4.5 has been languishing on a shelf, staring forlornly out at me and begging for just one more chance since I finished shooting for that review I wrote back in November 2012. Given that I didn’t really have much of a clue what to shoot this week, no ideas or plans, no desire to get to work on any of the ideas I’ve had stashed away, I decided to give the old Toki a chance to shine.
And—believe it or not—shine it did!
Given the Tokina’s failure to transmit much in the way of contrast or sharpness or color, it really likes flat light, like that found during a mostly overcast and raining day, like those we had here in North Texas several times this week.
Two shots of puddles got the most work (probably 4 minutes of slider play); two shots of that flower got a bit less (less than a minute each, I think); the others are straight from Lightroom’s RAW processor.
So GoGo, Tokina! I don’t think it’ll make it into regular rotation—everything is still backwards and the range is still rather limited (~52-300 in 35mm terms) on a crop sensor—but it might not go into the Goodwill pile when I move next…
D7000. Tokina AT-X 35-200 f/3.5-4.5. Remarkably little post-work in Lightroom, given the quality of this particular lens… EXIF is in the lightbox, if you care.
PS… Yes, there are 9 pictures… No, I didn’t miscount. Pick two and consider them a bonus.
PPS… when reading the title, please think of the hook on this classic song. (And remember the dancing and singing with some fondness. RIP.)
In early March, 2012, I pushed away from the desk to go make dinner, bumped the tripod, and knocked the D7000 and reverse-mounted Nikon 75-150mm f/3.5 E-Series face first into the wooden apartment floor.
This fall had two effects: 1) it loosened a wire or something in the MD-D11 battery grip such that the connection between the grip and camera is now intermittent at best, thus rendering it largely useless, and ; 2) it broke the focus mechanism on the E-Series, leaving me without a telephoto solution (but providing me with the brilliant75-150mm Zomb-E).
I intended to buy another 75-150—and I still might, because I love that lens—but decided instead to go for something with a bit more reach.
After a great deal of research, I settled on the Vivitar 70-210mm f/3.5 Series 1, which I was able to find for 1/4th the cost of another 75-150. (This lens probably doesn’t need another review—Ken Rockwell has a good one, and there are numerous others out there—but I might do one anyway, some day.)
While looking for the Vivitar and other telephoto zooms on ebay, I came across (and subsequently bought) the Tokina for $35 plus shipping. It was a spur-of-the-moment purchase that I rationalized by claiming that it would satiate my desire for a walk-around zoom. Given the D7000’s 1.5x crop factor, 35-200 translates to roughly 50-300, which in no way, shape, or form can be classified as a decent walk-around lens given its complete lack of any sort of wide angle, so this spur of the moment purchase had, in truth, no justification. But it was maybe $45, shipped, and it is a useful range, sort of, so…
The full name of this lens is the “Tokina AT-X 35-200mm 1:3.5-4.5.” As of November 4, 2012, Tokina does not list this lens in its archive, and the vast majority of google search results lead to discussions on whether or not to purchase the lens, is it sharp, etc., and I’ve been unable to locate much in the way of manufacturing dates or optical formulas, or anything else, really, so I decided to test out and write a nice, long review (with plenty of digressions and regressions) to maybe help remedy the dearth of information out there, or at least add my 2¢. So here it goes:
a brief History of the Tokina AT-X 35-200 f/3.5-4.5 (and a few links)
On the Pentax Forums, in a reply to a “Anybody know anything about this lens” post dated August 30, 2012, user RKKS08 asserts “…the first AT-X version was introduced in 1982 at about $430 US list price. There probably was a SD version before.” RKKS08 goes on to say “It is very ununlikely they didn’t change the optical formula and the coatings several times over the last 30 years. The more, as I know there exist(ed) Tokina SD, SZ-X, AT-X, and AT-X Pro versions of this lens. Just 2 years ago they introduced an AT-X Pro version (AF, Canon mount), which got fairly good reviews in German photo magazines.” RKKS08 also provides a link to a german lens review site; unfortunately, that site is now defunct.
Here’s a short list of a few interesting references to this lens that I’ve come across as of November 4, 2012:
Robert Monaghan‘s oft-referenced Cult Classics lens page has gone missing, but is available through the WayBack Machine and as a pdf. Other than being listed as a “Cult Classic,” there is no specific information on the 35-200.
The Tokina also shows up in an un-dated review/endorsement of Tamron’s 35-210mm f/3.5-4.2 at adaptall-2.org. “[The Tamron] provides better optical performance compared to Tokina’s very popular AT-X 35-200 F/3.5-4.5 zoom lens. Although the Tokina lens was slightly more compact and weighed less, you can definitely discern the differences in the machining tolerances between the two lenses when zooming and focusing. Both lenses exhibit zoom creep when the lens it tilted either up or down, but it takes far more tilt (75 degrees from the horizontal with the Tamron versus 45 degrees with the Tokina) before zoom creep with the Tamron becomes an issue. In a nutshell, the less expensive Tokina lens offered decent performance for the average photographer while the more expensive Tamron lens (with tighter machining tolerances combined with a superior optical design) had better optical performance which met the higher expectations of discerning photographers.”
I told you it was a short list. (Also, by the way, “very popular?” Why, then, has so little information survived or made it onto the interwebs?)
What I like about the Tokina AT-X 35-200mm
Well, given that I paid roughly $40 for it (including shipping), I suppose I can’t complain… much.
Here’s a short list of the things I like about the Tokina:
it has a nice-enough range (though I wish it went a bit wider), going from ~52.5-300 on my D7000
it has an aperture ring
f/4.5 at 200mm is at least ~2/3 of a stop wider than similar variable aperture lenses from all eras
it’s mostly metal and has a nice heft to it
it takes 67mm fliters (I only like this because the Vivitar also takes 67mm filters, thus obviating the need for step-up rings, but still…)
it was Made in Japan (for what it’s worth)
it has a really easy and wildly useful close focus mode: push a release button, spin the lens around, and *poof* it will focus down to 1:4 at about 3 inches from the front of the lens
it cost me less than a trip to the grocer
it reproduces colors and contrast in a unique way that has some artistic merit in certain situations
However, if I have a choice between the Tokina and pretty much any other lens in my arsenal, guess what? It usually stays on the shelf unless I have a specific need for it.
Suffice it to say that the lens has a few problems.
1) as expected, you’ll find barrel distortion at 35mm, pincushion distortion from ~50mm to ~150mm, and mustache distortion from 150-200mm. If I was a Ken Rockwell sort of lens reviewer, I’d give some notes on how to fix the distortion in Photoshop, but I’m not a Ken Rockwell sort of reviewer. I will, however, include pictures (see the last 5 images of the gallery, below).
This really isn’t a huge problem, as long as you’re not shooting wooden fences or brick walls or putting any horizontal or vertical lines near the edges of your pictures, and it’s completely expected from any lens of this type.
2) the focus changes while zooming. Drastically. So if you get all focused in on a your subject at 200mm, and then zoom out a bit to capture some surroundings, you’ll need to focus again. The more you zoom out (or in) after focusing, the more out of focus you’ll be.
I missed a handful of decent shots before I figured this out.
And it doesn’t help that the lens exhibits a fair amount of zoom creep at even the slightest tilt out of horizontal.
3) The Flare, Oh My God The Flare. Suppose you’re shooting outside during the day. If you want to avoid flare, make sure the sun is behind the front of the lens. I mean, really behind; maybe not 180°, but pretty close.
I really don’t know how to explain this properly, but here it goes:
At 35mm on a 35mm (or full frame digital), the angle of view is 64°; on a crop-sensor, this falls to ~45°. In my experience, the sun needs to be outside of an area at least equal to the angle of view. So if your subject is at 0° and you’re covering 22.5° on each side of the subject, the sun needs to be another 45° outside of that (or at 67.5° or greater) or you’ll get flare.
And this range holds for every focal length, not just the wide end: even at 200mm, you’ll need a good 70° of clearance between the edge of your frame and the sun to avoid flare.
(Does this make sense? A diagram would probably help, but I’m feeling lazy…)
In this shot, the sun was a good 40° out of the frame. Sure, the rainbow blob in the lower right is nice enough, and I know this picture wouldn’t win any awards, and, of course, flare can be employed to nice artistic effect, but still: this is a bit excessive.
This can be mitigated some with a lens hood. I have a collapsible rubber one, but I usually forget to attach it before I go out shooting, and no other lens—even the Vivitar 70-210mm f/3.5—really needs it to the extent the Tokina does.
And the flare totally washes out the image on the Tokina. Other lenses produce some ghosts, or some pretty flare bubbles, but the Tokina just converts the scene to monochrome.
4) it’s very soft wide open, soft enough that I find it mostly impossible to find the green dot at any focal distance, but especially at infinity, and soft enough that nothing is sharp wide open. Sharpness improves, though, and by f/8 it’s sharp as tacks in the center, but still slightly soft in the corners (and remember, I’m shooting this on a camera with a 1.5x crop factor). [I illustrated this back on November 4, 2012, post “365.312 it’s sharp after all!.”]
I imagine this softness would make for some decent portraits, and I’ll try to find a subject on which to test this theory. (Don’t hold your breath…)
5) everything is backwards. Nikon lenses find infinity by turning the focus ring to the right. Canon, Olympus, Pentax, and others all have infinity on the left. So most third party lenses for Nikon (especially manual lens) have this same focusing issue.
I solve this (h/t Ken Rockwell) by imagining that the little green focus arrows in the viewfinder are instructing me which way to turn the bottom of the lens barrel. It’s still a bother, but I tend to get used to it after a couple of minutes, and happily go about the rest of the day.
But that’s not all that’s backwards: it zooms backwards too.
With a Nikon push/pull type zoom, you pull in to zoom in, and you push out to zoom out. On the Vivitar 70-210mm f/3.5 Series 1, you pull in to zoom in and you push out to zoom out.
It’s easy to remember: pull in=zoom in; push out=zoom out.
On the Tokina, though, it’s backwards: push the lens out to zoom in; pull the lens in to zoom out. This trips me up constantly, and is a real bother.
6) (and this is the deal breaker, for me… mostly) the color reproduction is washed out, at best, and the contrast is flat. These are both easily remedied in post, but I get better results straight out of the camera with pretty much every other lens on the shelf.
It’s simply an issue of time: with any other lens, it takes anywhere from 30 seconds to 4 or 5 minutes to process a picture for the 365 project, or to share to the interwebs; pictures from the Tokina require at least 2 minutes of post work, and the other good qualities of the lens will never beat this out, for me.That said, there are occasions when I like the rather flat contrast and unsaturated color, and given that this is the closest thing I have to a proper super zoom lens, I’ll keep it on the shelf, albeit nearer to the back than others.
I have a few other complaints, but they’re relatively minor: annoying and largely useless half-stop clicks on the aperture ring; and (on my copy) the zoom is rather sticky, which makes very hard to move out of some focal lengths and nigh-on impossible to focus in Macro mode with any accuracy.
very soft wide open, soft enough that the D7000 computer has difficulty focusing when it’s wide open
focus and zooming are backwards on Nikon
saturation and contrast are sadly lacking
If you find a clean copy of this lens (mine has a tiny bit of mold and a chip in the front element, neither of which cause many issues) in a pawnshop or online for less than $30 or $40, shipped, and you want a manual focus super-zoom-ish lens for FX (or normal-tele zoom for DX), and you appreciate the artistic merits of funky old manual lenses (I should write something about this one day…), and you have the money to spend, buy it.
Otherwise, save up your money and get one of the modern lenses, especially for DX. (Note: I have no experience with other super-zoom type lenses, but I have every expectation that the newer offerings from Nikon, Tamron, Sigma, et. al. are quite a bit better optically, if a bit more cheaply made and less able to produce artistic effects.
So there you have it: my review of the Tokina AT-X 35-200mm f/3.5-4.5! Below, you’ll find some sample images, mostly outtakes from various 365 shoots. (I had to hunt far and wide to find even 7 pictures worth sharing that haven’t already been featured in one of the various 365 posts that feature the Tokina). Most of these were shot wide open in Aperture Priority mode on the D7000 (and probably at -1EV, as that gives the best results with non-CPU lenses in my experience), as I tend to do, and so don’t look too closely, and most received 2-5 minutes of slider play in Aperture.
I hope you found this interesting and/or useful! I had fun making it, for sure, and apologize for taking so long to push it out. I think I’ve been promising this review since April or May…
And this being my first real, in depth lens review, I hope you’ll have some comments or suggestions to help me improve. And if you have any questions, please throw them out there. I’ll be glad to answer them. (Comments are screened prior to posting, FYI.)
I ran some errands after work, and by the time I got home, I’d lost any interest in shooting, so I laid down on the floor and started shooting random stuff: cat hair, a broken off belt loop that’s now a cat toy, the afternoon light on the blinds, the trees outside through the little holes in the blinds, and finally ended up shooting the front door again, again, again, again.
Not much more to say about this. Oh well.
D7000. Tokina AT-X 35-200mm f/3.5-4.5, in close focus mode. ISO800, 1/5th (AP mode), f/8, -1EV, pop-up in Manual at 1/8th. About 5 minutes of slider play in Aperture to bring up the washed out colors and flat contrast provided by the Tokina. Looking at it now, I might’ve gone a bit far. Oh well.
This vine grows around the courtyard entrance, and it looks really beautiful in the afternoon. This is probably my 25th attempt to capture said beauty, but it’s not really particularly close. This—and all other attempts—lack the subtlety of it all.
In other news, I think I have enough images for the Tokina review… now to make time to finish writing it, give it a couple of days to breathe, slap an edit on it, and share away. Hopefully, I’ll get there this weekend, but I make no promises.
One thing I noticed here, the barrel distortion present at 35mm has become pincushion distortion at 110mm (where this was shot), before becoming wildly complex moustache distortion at 200mm, and this even on a 1.5x crop like the D7000.
D7000. Tokina AT-X 35-200mm f/3.5-4.5. ISO800, 1/125th, f/11. About 4 minutes of slider play, plus maybe 3 minutes of cloning out specks and splotches on the window in Aperture.
I didn’t notice it yesterday, but then I went out shooting at my usual time (if not for the time change event) and so I wouldn’t have.
But today, when I left work, Wow! What a difference an hour makes!
Given the relatively flat landscape, the numerous houses, and very many rather old trees, the afternoon light filtering through the trees is pretty much gone by the time I get home, and it’s only going to get darker between now and ~December 21.
By going to the ends of alleys and intersections of streets, I was able to find some lovely light, as you can see here, but it’s going to take me awhile to get used to it, probably as long as it takes my biological functions to reset themselves to the new numbers on the clock.
Should I ever convince myself to stop at a park or something on the way home from work, though, the light should be much more conducive to creating nice pictures, and so I suppose it’s worth it.
Anyway, I noticed something curious about the pictures I shot yesterday with the Tokina: the center is sharp, yes, but the corners were blurred, even at f/8, so I set out to run some tests.
Any idea how hard it is to find ~8°10″ worth of natural things worth shooting all in the same plane of focus, especially at any distance worth mentioning? I found two wooden fences, and I’ll need a tripod and remote release to shoot them at f/8 at 4:15pm, even at ISO800, and I’m loathe to go much higher, even on this camera.
D7000. Tokina AT-X 35-200mm f/3.5-4.5 at 200mm. ISO800, 1/200th (AP mode), f/8. About 7 minutes of slider play in Aperture: the Tokina is pretty flat when it comes to reproducing contrast and saturation.
Above: the 365 pic, shot at f/8. Below: a similar composition wide open at f/4.5.
After the photowalk yesterday, while editing pictures, I noticed that the subject of several shots was completely out of focus. This was somewhat bothersome, as my initial thought was that something was wrong with a) the lens; b) the D7000’s green dot focus computer; c) my technique.
I’ve been meaning to review the Tokina for quite some time, as I’ve been unable to find any lengthy user reviews of this particular model (AT-X 35-200 f/3.5-4.5 from sometime during or after 1982). So I went out today to take some random shots of the neighborhood, and took every shot at its minimum aperture and at f/8 to see what was what.
Well, you can see for yourself here.
Both images received the same post-processing in Aperture: +.35 to exposure; +.1 to Brightness; +.05 to Contrast; +.15 to Saturation; +.1 to Vibrancy; and a levels tweak to make sure white and black were represented. Additionally, both pictures received a .1 increase to saturation in the background and .25 increase to definition in the foreground.
I’ll say more in the review, coming soon (hopefully): stay tuned.
D7000. Tokina AT-X 35-200 f/3.5-4.5, at 200mm. 365 pic: ISO800, 1/1250th (AP Mode), f/8; Outtake: ISO800, 1/4000th, f/4. (See above for processing information.)
And it just struck me: a competent professional reviewer would’ve used a tripod to ensure identical composition. Alas, I’m not a professional reviewer: I’m a user, an amateur photographer, and someone more interested in general usability than mtf charts and all that.
Yesterday morning found me, once again, wandering around Downtown Dallas, alone, ostensibly as part of a Photowalk: this time a Scavenger Hunt with the North Texas Photography Explorers MeetUp Group.
Good news: I didn’t have a full out panic attack and start frantically texting an old friend.
Bad news: I had a constant, general, and rather intense level of trepidation. It wasn’t bad enough to start texting old friends, but it did prevent me enjoying myself or really taking time to compose, focus, frame, and capture many of the things that I saw.
I suppose it’s a win that I didn’t have an all out attack, but I hoped to feel more in control of my emotional state, and even now, 24 hours after I arrived home from the walk, I’m still shaking internally and finding it excruciatingly difficult to even step outside.
I also didn’t really make any pictures that I’m happy with.
I put this down partly to the anxiety, and partly to my choice of gear: I knew I was going to want to shoot some macro close focus stuff, and initially planned to take along the Vivitar 50mm f/1.8 with its reversing set-up and swap between that and the Sigma 30mm f/1.4, my favorite walkaround lens.
Alas, my step-down rings are stuck together in such a way as to prevent mounting the reversing ring, and I’ll likely need to invest in a filter wrench (or buy another set of step-down or step-up rings, or both) to get things operational again.
I then thought about carrying my bag, and bringing the Zomb-E, but I long ago decided to eschew carrying the bag, and try to be as nimble as possible. I suppose I could’ve carried the Zomb-E in a pocket or something, but that would’ve led to too much ‘is-that-a-1970s-zoom-lens-in-your-pocket-or-are-you-just-a-pervert’ potential for me to handle.
I thought about rocking the Zomb-E alone, and need to do that again in the future, but I knew I wanted flat focal planes and a wider angle.
I had just about decided to say “screw it” and just go with the Sigma, when my eyes fell upon the Tokina AT-X 35-200 f/3.5-4.5. Could it be the solution to my problems? It’s relatively fast, relatively wide (a mere 5mm narrower than the Sigma), and has a close focus function built in for those moments when macro-ish seems like fun.
So how did it fare? Well, I’m working on a review of the Tokina—as there are very few on the interwebs—but it’s only about half-done at present, so I’ll just let the pictures speak for themselves. (Note: I had some focusing issues with the Tokina. I’m not sure if it was me or the lens or the D7000, but I saw the green dot, I fired, and I got some back-focusing in the 2-3 foot range.)
The Scavenger Hunt item list is as follows:
Worn, Broken or Rusty
This Makes Me Hungry
Old & New
Curved, Curves, Twisted, or Circular
Alternate Exit or Entrance
Working On It
How did I do?
Everything was shot with the D7000 and Tokina 35-200 f/3.5-4.5, ISO100, Aperture Priority mode, mostly wide open, and at a rather wide variety of focal lengths.